Kamala Coalition

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Hello everybody, welcome back to another episode of Why Do I Care? I'm your host Toby Favallora. And I'm Alex Jurek. And today we'll be talking about Kamala Harris's coalition. So without further ado, let's get right to it.

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And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built, from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift, and a whole bunch of folks in between there. Bernie, Dick, and Taylor walk into a bar. Bar director says, what can I get you? And they say, one endorser for Kamala Harris. Wow, Toby, that was a funny joke to start the episode today. A really, really funny joke to start the episode. I thought that was pretty good. I'm not going to lie to you. Like, I thought that was pretty good. And I think I kind of deserve some credit for that joke. Was it that bad?

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You get maybe a little smidge of credit. A Toyota. Well, I guess Coach is right. We do have a pretty large base. It does sound like a bad joke. It does sound like a little bit of a bad joke, but Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party this election have gotten a pretty broad coalition, a pretty broad base. And we can see this is something that they are clearly proud of

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We, as Democrats, always have kind of had an umbrella and we've tried to get as many voters as possible. While the Republicans more so have been like, oh no, we'll just try to keep these white, straight voters and try to limit the damage that black voters can do and limit the damage that we can have with...

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Latino voters and try to control that. And I guess I feel that the Democratic Party recently has been trying to catch as many people in as broad an umbrella as they can, but the Republican Party kind of hasn't. And this is kind of evident of that. So there have been some very famous endorsements recently, to say the least. Bruce Springsteen recently, T. Swizzle, Taylor Swift. Other pretty big celebrities have gotten involved as well. And...

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It's not just celebrities, it's all of these people. There's newspapers, there's organizations, there's these civil rights groups and all these things. So the fact that the Harris campaign is able to get all these voices and able to convince this many people to speak out publicly, it's kind of astonishing. Yeah, I mean, there's definitely something to be said for the celebrity endorsement, especially with one that is-

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is as big and has as much clout as Taylor Swift does. If you'll remember back to midterm elections, she asked her base to register to vote, and overnight it was like over 100,000 people registered to vote in Tennessee. The majority of those were Republicans, but she still registered people to vote. She obviously has some clout, she has some swing, she has some sway, and I think her endorsement is a very big one for Kamala Harris, even though it might not, you know.

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It might not be the stick that breaks the camel's back in terms of winning the election, but it'll help, I think. Yeah, she really used her reputation to speak now. Now, that's good. I'm not even gonna reply to that, Tony. Okay, well I thought that was pretty good. I feel like I'm kinda dancing with my hands tied here. Oh, that's good, that's good. I'm out of jokes, so we're gonna dive kinda back in. I'm not gonna lie, I kinda ran out of Taylor Swift jokes. Yeah, so she publicly endorsed Kamala Harris.

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and that was something that people had been asking her to do. I don't think there is a celebrity as big as Taylor Swift, period, point blank. There is the argument that she might be the biggest celebrity ever, which we're not gonna really get into because this isn't a pop culture podcast, but she is a very big celebrity. And because the answer is Michael Jackson. Yeah. I don't want everyone to understand that. It is Michael Jackson. 100% Michael Jackson. But Taylor Swift is getting there, you know? She's...

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The Harris Tour was a massive success. She is so unbelievably widely known. Everybody knows her, you know? Like, if, you know, the youngest person in my family knows her and the oldest person in my family knows her. That just goes to show how big of a deal she is. And she has such a powerful voice with these younger, especially female voters. And in this election...

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The Harris campaign, honestly, kind of their easiest message to a group would be to these young female voters saying Donald Trump is trying to take your right and your voice away to what to do with your body. He's trying to take that away. And that's such an easy message for the Kamala Harris campaign. And the fact that Taylor Swift endorses this message, it kind of just makes it easier. And this is such an important group because we've talked about before, one of the big reasons that we have this podcast is to get the youth involved. And having

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you know, young female voters be engaged to politics, be ready to vote in politics and be able to be, I guess, mobilized by such a powerful endorsement, something that's really, you know, important, I would say. Yeah, you know, 100%. Also, one more thing about Taylor. She, it's debated, but there's an argument made that she kind of saved the Biden administration. Now, Toby, you're thinking like, what is he gonna say here? How could Taylor's what could possibly have saved the Biden administration?

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So during the summer of her heiress tour, right, this was when we had raging inflation, right? Everybody was kind of down on the economy. Taylor almost single-handedly generated five and a half billion dollars for the U.S. economy, which is relatively unheard of and may have saved Biden's economic policy at home. And I think that maybe this endorsement is just for kind of paying it back, I don't know. Yeah, I, she is a force to be reckoned with.

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She's insanely popular. She's on TV almost every Sunday. And it's, she has been kind of reluctant. And it makes sense that people, celebrities are reluctant to make these endorsements because it can really like alienate some of their supporters. And if you are somebody who hasn't come out publicly in favor of a bunch of these celebrities.

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uh... not so it is a politicians that it can be something that's very dot they sort of talk about another big endorsement bruce springsteen yes it's a big deal however late him and obama were pretty close and when we have a bunch of these celebrities that make these endorsements like you know chris evans or jennifer lawrence for jennifer will pass or one of the janitors is a team really in hollywood

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almost every election. And why Taylor Swift is so monumental is because it is an endorsement that wasn't really expected, but she did it anyways. And that just goes to show how important this election is and how many endorsements all these people have besides just celebrities. We can move over to some important civil rights and political action groups, some of these endorsements, the AAPI Victory Fund.

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who focuses on these Asian American Pacific Islander communities. They endorse Kamala Harris, not necessarily too much of a surprise there. Black Lives Matter, Black Voters Matter, my bad. They endorse Kamala Harris, which also isn't too much of a surprise there. We have the opportunity to have one of our first black female presidents. This is something that we kind of expected this group to endorse.

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But the fact that she's still able to get these endorsements and not take them for granted is something that's, I think, impressive for her. Um, also being able to get these, like, LGBTQ plus groups to endorse her, being able to get some gun violence prevention groups, environmental organizations, all of these groups that make sense that they should be under the Kamala Harris coalition.

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Coming out and supporting her is something that we shouldn't take for granted and it's honestly like hats off to her. She was able to mobilize and organize and unify the Democratic Party in such a short matter of time. We don't talk about that. Yeah, you know, she was really able to keep the base together when people thought it might fall apart post-Biden or post-dropout. Even as it was falling apart during...

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and Ronford, the president. So I feel like that is a powerful thing that we often overlook, that she kept all these, this very diverse, unique group of voices together and kept them united. And if we move kind of into our labor unions, right, you see big endorsements like the AFL, CIO, SEIU, United Auto Workers, you know, we are at a time when unions are in the news, right, all the time. We just saw the dock workers go on strike and now they're back, they had a little agreement

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And it's just like we consistently see the power of organized labor in this country. One thing we have not seen is endorsements from all the labor groups, right? We did not get a Teamsters endorsement on the national level, although almost every single state Teamsters branch, or at least every single important one, has come out and endorsed Kamala Harris. We also did not get an endorsement from the Firefighters Union, which is rare because they had a vote and they voted not to endorse. But you know, still, like we have a large movement for organized labor.

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labor that has a very powerful voice in today's America and I think we really do appreciate that. Yeah and when we look at the electoral map we kind of see what used to be the blue wall and we see locations where organized labor is incredibly powerful like Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, all these places where organized labor is so unbelievably important having these

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endorsements is something that's very important. And that's what Biden was so good at. He was able to kind of pitch himself as middle class, he was great in Pennsylvania. He's the guy, he was very, you know, he at least campaigned on being very union friendly. And that's something that Kamala Harris doesn't necessarily have. She's trying to campaign as more of a, less of a like, oh, I'm from the middle class. Like my parents, you know, like, yes.

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She's campaigning that she's from the middle class, but she's from California. She was a lawyer. She was the attorney general. She was vice president. It's a lot harder for her to make that argument. In Biden, it was so unbelievably important for him. But when you look at the electoral map, these places where these labor unions have so much power, they're just so unbelievably important to get to that 270, the amount of votes that Kamala Harris needs to become the next president in the United States.

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these labor unions are something that I guarantee her campaign is like, how can we get these, you know, how can we get all these endorsements? Yeah, I mean, you know, it's all about restoring the blue wall, trying to bring back, you know, the Rust Belt to where it once was. And like, as you were saying, the path to 270, it goes through Pennsylvania, it goes through Michigan, it goes through Wisconsin, right? If she loses any one of those states, you're probably going to see another Donald Trump presidency, which is something that this country does not want to reckon with right now.

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has the appetite for us. That's where the power of organized labor really comes into play. Yeah, and we can touch on it a little bit later or in a different episode, which I think could be a pretty good different episode, but we see kind of this working class transition from being somebody that the Democrats were really able to count on to Trump's able to take a bunch of these voters. We see this with young working class white men, especially.

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These used to be the foundation for the Democratic coalition. You know, it used to be like, Republican Party, they're gonna give tax cuts to the rich. They're going to help rich CEOs, big corporations, and they're not gonna give a crap about you. But all of a sudden, it's kind of shifting. And despite the Democrats still being the ones that care about middle-class voters and care about these working-class people, it's the Republican Party and Donald Trump who's able to kind of get the credit for it. But in reality, what is he gonna do?

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going to cut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and give rich tax cuts to his buddies. And that's something that we've seen. He did it in 2018. Voters are not like that, that's for sure. But every, the idea that Trump is more worker-friendly is something that's so unbelievably absurd given his background, but it's something that the Republican Party is making deep inroads in. And it's kind of, it's impactful. We haven't really discussed that.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know that there's a class, you know.

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I don't know that we are ever going to be able to fully win back white working class voters and bring back the same kind of New Deal coalition that FDR had, especially just because of how Democrats are branded. I think the only way that ever really happens is if you go full on populist progressivism, but with our modern democratic elite, that's never going to happen. That's a reality, right? What you need to do is just appeal to their sensibilities, appeal that deep down everybody is a good person who wants the best for their community, who wants the best for everyone.

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around them and paint yourself as the party of progress, of just being better than the status quo. Yeah, and you kind of talked about it. The Democratic Party is really being labeled as a party that's full of rich East Coast, West Coast elites. And yes, Democrats are more successful, highly successful with these college-educated voters. Wonder why. But the idea that the Democrats are all of a sudden the rich snobs who are going to be

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give tax cuts to their rich buddies and Republicans are working for you in the trenches. It's just not true. That's just like blatantly false. And that's something that the Democratic Party really should combat. And I do think that was such an important part to the Biden campaign. But when we talk about, you know, these rich, you know, when we talk about this idea that Democrats are these rich, educated, on the coast elites, of course, it makes sense that

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because of that.

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these news organizations would endorse Kamala Harris. And we see this, right? The New York Times editorial board, Rolling Stone, Scientific American, all of these things, they, you know, endorse Kamala Harris. Editorial boards have endorsed Kamala Harris. And if you're, I guess, not necessarily Republican, but if you're a low-information voter, and the idea that you have is that these news organizations are, you know, crooked, or they pick sides, you wouldn't see it as such a big deal as it really is.

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The idea that... I guess there's... what I'm trying to get at is there's this underlying idea that educated voters and education, college education, makes you a Democrat. Or it... you know, it's like inherently biased against Republicans. But the reality is, I hate to say it point blank, Democrats are right. And if you go to college and you learn the facts and the truth...

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you will see that. And this is something that you see the Republican media machine try to say is like, oh, like if you go to college, all the professors are Democrats. Why? Because they're experts in their fields. And I think this is something that's kind of getting away from us. And it used to be, the debates used to be experts on both sides, but more and more we see the MyPillow guy trying to compete against actual like.

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people who are educated. It's kind of crazy how this narrative is getting away from us. So Toby, you're telling me that Mike Lindell is not kind of the hallmark of college education in our nation? Believe it or not, he's not that guy. He's not a genius. He hasn't won a Nobel Prize quite yet. Even those of those pillars are supposed to be pretty comfortable.

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Yeah, I mean, talk about a sure idiot. But there is something to be said, and I think that we'll talk about this, the Harris coalition is trying to include these people, but for the college-educated Republican, right? Look at the coalition that Nikki Haley tried to form during the Republican primaries, and the fact is that the Harris campaign is trying to win back those people. They're trying to not bring them into the Democratic Party, but trying to make them just not really vote for Trump. We all heard Walls's quote from

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from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift, right? But the reality is that, yeah, they're trying to get those Dick Cheney classic Republicans, people who might have really, really liked Mitt Romney because he was socially liberal, fiscally conservative. They're trying to get those people into the party, which I think everyone has their own take on. Personally, I am not the biggest fan of it, but I know other people who otherwise, but it's definitely something that's happening.

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to win over the never Trump Republicans and try to get them to vote for Kamala as opposed to not voting or voting for a third party candidate. And we see this with Liz Cheney endorsing her and being able to do an actual, not necessarily a rally, but they had a country over party, I guess you can say rally, and they talked and it was a big deal. Totally, they had a country over party.

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I saw that on Twitter, that was so funny. I think that's, not to get off track here, but that's part of kind of how amateurish a lot of our messaging has been so far. Like who let them put up signs that said country over party? Like come on. Yeah, some Democrats are a lot of things, messaging gurus and maybe not quite there yet. However, I will say the Biden campaign and I guess now the Harris campaign, they have been very aggressive on social media.

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in an attempt to win over these younger voters. But before we talk about that, we're gonna circle back to this. They want to win over more of the establishment Republicans, the Nikki Haley voters, you know, the Mitt Romney voters, the people who wanted Jeb Bush. These voters, these never Trumpers who understand that Trump is such a danger to democracy and convincing them like, hey, I know you hate Democrats, but it's better than this guy. And convincing people that voting for third parties not.

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An option, not a viable option. The idea in American politics that the two party system is broken is there's a lot of merit there. Yes, America should have more options, sure. However, voting for a third party candidate in a presidential race like this is just not the answer. It's not the solution. And if you are trying to prove a point and say, oh no, I want these parties, okay, that's one thing. Go in the midterms and try to get members in Congress.

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get people on school boards. You can't throw away your vote in an election like this because ultimately a vote, if you don't vote for Harris, that's a vote for Trump. Point blank, that's how it works. Because you know damn well that all the Trump supporters are gonna go up and vote for Trump. And if you are in Kamala Harris, if you are a Democrat, if you're in this massive coalition that we were talking about, and you say, you know what, no, I'm gonna vote Green Party for whatever reason.

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That's not helping anybody. That's not proving a point. What it's doing is damaging Kamala Harris because you're just taking a vote away from her. And the Green Party's never gonna win. It's that simple. Yeah, yeah, I mean the reality of first pass the post and...

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you know, plurality-winning politics in the United States is that third parties can never exist. If you're looking for... Let me do a little plug here. Looking for a good third party's information type thing. John Boyes on YouTube just did a fantastic series about the Reform Party that I loved watching. And, you know, just thinking about, like, the history of, like, Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan and how their party was just kind of so wildly torn apart, it proves that there really is no space for a third party in the United States

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another voting block that can surpass the Democrats and the Republicans and that's part of the reason why you gotta vote for Kamala Harris. Yeah, and we see this Unfortunately, there's many Republicans who say, oh, yeah, I'm not voting for Trump. Not voting for Kamala either, but I'm not voting for Trump. Correct me if I'm wrong, the Bushes did that. Yeah, I feel like that's a Bush move. A very Bush move. Like, you know what?

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Whatever, Bushes, they've messed enough up in America, we're gonna kind of not go down that rabbit hole. But if you were gonna vote, you have to vote for Kamala. And that's what the biggest issue, that's the problem that the Harris campaign has to solve right now. We have talked about this massive coalition that she has, how does she have them all vote for her? How does she have them convince others to vote for her? One of the best, I guess,

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I don't even know if you said it, or ideas in politics that's kind of stuck with me is that everyone's saying, oh my vote doesn't matter. Okay, first of all it does, the second of all your voice does matter. If you can get three people to vote, and they get three people to vote, and they get three people to vote, it expands and it becomes such a massive movement. Democracy isn't about, yes it's about voting, but it's also about using your voice. It's the power.

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of the people to the people.

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The fact that you have the power to make these changes, you have the ability to go out and knock on doors, to make phone calls, to write postcards, to put up a sign, to donate, all these things make such a big difference. And Kamala Harris needs to get this massive coalition, and she needs to say, guys, this is the most important election of your lifetime. We say this every year, but this time, this is it. We've seen it. We know what Trump's gonna do

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If it's close. If it's close enough, we know exactly what he's gonna try to do and not try to overturn it. The one of the ways that we can guarantee that Trump is not gonna overturn this election is by winning by a lot. Absolutely blowing him out of the water because there's only so much that he can do. If it's just absolutely blown out of the water, there's no way in hell that he's gonna come close to trying to steal this election from us. And if you are in this coalition, whether you're on the New York Times editorial board or you're

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one of the Cheneys, or if you're a Taylor Swift fan, or if you're, you know, a member of the Black Lives Vote, or if you're, you know, a progressive organization, if you're more of an environmental organization, if you're a gun control organization, all of these things, all these organizations, all these unions, all these people need to get just in the game. They need to get off their ass and they need to get involved.

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and it's not enough to sit on the sideline this election is too important. And that's what the biggest problem for her is going to be. It's how do we get these voters not only to vote, but to show up, help us make change, and help us win this election. Yeah, 100%, you gotta use your voice.

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So we're gonna take a quick break. After this break, we're gonna be back and we're gonna discuss why do we care about discoloration. Welcome back, everybody. It's time for the Why Do I Care section of the podcast where this podcast gets its name. We are gonna tell you why do you care about these issues and why do they matter to you as a voter. So for me, right, I care about our democracy, but I also care about the identity of the Democratic Party.

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I feel that Kamala's coalition right now is a winning one. It is, it's gonna probably win her this election, but it concerns me, right? I am concerned when I'm aligned with the same candidate as Dick Cheney, the guy who started the Iraq war. I am concerned when me and Adam Kinsinger and Jeff Blick and Anthony Scaramucci and Cassie Hutchinson are all on the same side of something, right? It concerns me for two reasons. It concerns me because we have such deep ideological

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still together. It means that we are fighting against something that is so sinister, so evil that we have to repel it, right? That today has to be the day that we say no. But it also means that somewhere along the way the Democratic Party has lost its identity. That we aren't really standing for what we've stood for in the past. You know, I remember our

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party when, you know, in the 2020 primaries, we were talking about universal health care, right? We were talking about gun control. We were talking about, you know, even it was a pipe dream idea, but Anthony Yang with universal basic income, right? There were things that were going to genuinely go against how our system is running today and genuinely make change. And that's, that's what I'm missing, right? That's what I'm missing from our coalition. I very much appreciate that, you know, AOC and Cori Bush and Ilhan Omar, people all,

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the far left who I identify with have come out in support of Kamala Harris. I really do, but I think that we need to remember our voice and we need to remember what we stand for and who we really fight for this election. Yeah, I agree. Maybe less to... I guess maybe less... not to the same extent, but I do agree. I think that as a Democratic party, especially this election...

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The idea that we aren't necessarily fighting for issues, we're fighting against Trump. And that's kind of what it's felt like since he came onto the scene. I'm gonna be honest, I couldn't really tell you the last big democratic initiative that really got me excited. Build Back Better, it was a great idea.

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There was a lot of great policies there, but besides that, it kind of feels like since he came onto the scene in 2016, it's been like, you can't allow him near the office. And that makes sense. Like that's completely viable, but only, only so much. Because it's like, okay, if you're a voter who somehow after, I don't even know how many years, eight years, 12 years?

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I don't know, how many years? Trump came down that gold escalator in 2015, so we're going on, we're in year nine right now of Trump being in our political reality. Yeah, good thing I'm not a math major, that's for sure. But...

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The idea that if you're a voter and you see two parties, one party says, oh yeah, what are we gonna do? We're gonna build a wall, we're gonna stop inflation somehow magically, we're gonna get all of these, well first of all, they make up stories, but then they give solutions for how to solve them. And then that's one party, but then you look at the other party and they're like, this guy's crazy. Who are you gonna vote for? You're gonna vote for the one who gives you policies. And that as a Democrat is pretty scary because you-

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You have an opportunity to give policies and to speak out, but you can't and you don't because you don't really have a shared identity necessarily. And we see this on so many issues. There are so many, when we had a democratic trifecta, we couldn't get anything done.

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It was a very short majority, but the fact that we were unable to get anything done is very scary and it's very telling. You could not tell me that Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump would not have had every single Republican, regardless of what the majority was, they would have gotten them to vote in line or else they would be out of the party. That's what the Republicans are able to do because first of all, they don't have a backbone, but second of all, because they're unified, completely unified.

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and that's something that we don't really see in the current Democratic Party. So the reason that you should care is because, yes, Kamala Harris, she has an amazing coalition, which is just going to show you that she's in the right and Trump's in the wrong. But the fact that...

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If you are a party whose only goal is to oppose the other party, you're kind of losing part of who you are. I don't want to see Democrats go out there and say, you know what we're actually going to do? This is what we're going to do. First of all, Trump's a danger to the White House. We can't let him there. But we're going to do this. This is what we're going to do to fight inflation. This is what we're going to do to make more affordable housing. This is what we're going to do to limit the amount of mass shootings that we see every year. This is what we're going to do to help women make the choices that they want to about their bodies. This is what we're going to do to make it so that if you have diabetes and you need

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to get that without breaking the bank. This is what we're gonna do to help lift families out of poverty and keep them out of poverty. This is what we're gonna do to fight the opioid epidemic. All of these things that Democrats have the policies for, have the answers for, but they don't speak about it. It's okay.

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to be a party that stands for something. It's okay to have a voice and to stand for something besides standing against Trump. And that's what the Democratic Party needs to do. And that's what is so unbelievably important to do in this election. Democrats are scared to do it because they don't wanna isolate anybody in this massive majority, or this umbrella, this coalition, but you have to. If you're a Democrat, you have to do it because by not doing it, you're not standing for anything.

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Yeah, you gotta stand for something. You know, it's time to use your voice, it's time to speak up, and it's time to make the change that we have been waiting for for so long. The point of politics isn't to oppose, it isn't to fight, it's to agree, to disagree, and to make actual change. And I think that's what voters are so kind of tired of. I think overwhelmingly the VP debate, which wasn't really exciting, but...

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the idea that

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This is how politics should be. Because it was kind of a look back to a pre-Trump world in which people would discuss policies. And yes, JD Vance was lying through his teeth, but it sounded like actual policy debate. And that's what voters are missing and that's what voters are lacking. That's what Democrats need to do. They need to say, this is a policy. This is why I stand behind. This is what we stand behind. And they need to figure it out. It's not enough to be anti-Trump. It's not. You have to be anti-Trump, but for something. You have to fight for something.

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Democratic Party needs to do. Yeah, we need goals. We need to go out. We need to say this is what we're gonna do. These tax credits are gonna increase. This is how we're gonna make the change that we wanna make. This is how we are gonna bring progress and this is how we're going to win this election in 2024 off a progressive base. Yeah. Building off of that, I have a question for you, Alex. So Trump has said publicly that after this election, he's not gonna run again. Either if he wins, he's not gonna be able to, or if he loses, I don't think he has it in.

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I think his health is kind of declining. I think it's taken a strain on his family, financially, all of these things. He said he's not going to run again, and for once I kind of believe him on that. After this election, say, you know, end of November, the dust is kind of settled, you're the Democratic Party.

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you need to rebuild because you can't be the anti-Trump party anymore. My question to you would be, A, who do you think is going to be kind of at the front of this rebuild? Either, if Harris wins, it's, I guess, kind of obviously going to be her, but if it isn't, who is going to be this Democratic torchbearer? Who is going to lead the Democrats? And I guess B is what three issues do you think should be the focus of the Democratic Party, but also what do you think they will be?

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can't see the Democrats all unifying behind necessarily. So I guess that's my question to you is, say this is the Democratic Party after a really tough defeat, what do they do? If we somehow lose this election, you're gonna see a splinter. You're gonna see the people who said...

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you know, we need to be more progressive than the people who said we need to run farther to the right. And they're both gonna say that they were right, and they're both gonna be right to an extent. And you're gonna see two factions. You're gonna see AOC, the progressive wing of the party, as they've always done, try to, you know, push for reforms and be relatively unsuccessful. And then you're gonna see this other wing. It's gonna be led by some conciliatory group, probably a Josh Shapiro-type character, I mean, a Gavin Newsom-type character,

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as the kids say, and they're gonna be kind of pushing for similar...

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values but from different angles, right? You're gonna see an increase in housing policy because the underrated thing that we don't talk about enough is that when the census reapportions congressional seats, blue states have been losing seats because of long-term nimbius policies, right? People have to move out of those blue states because they're becoming unaffordable, right? California's losing its votes, New York's losing its votes, Massachusetts losing its votes, these, you know, democratic stalwarts. So you're gonna see an increase of yin-bi-

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or like EMB housing policy where people want to actually vote for. You're going to see a re-emphasis I think on healthcare, right? For really the last eight years we haven't talked a lot about single payer, we haven't talked a lot about universal healthcare, we're going to see healthcare come back into conversation and you're going to have two contrasting and opposing views in healthcare. And then I think the last thing you're going to see real division over, and it's something that's going to be a forever issue in American politics, is the border, it's immigration.

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And you're going to see, again, the left flank of the party say, we were right. You guys ran, really to Trump's 2016 position on immigration and you guys lost, that's on you. Right? And then the other flank of the party is going to say, well, you know, like there are other things we could do, other, you know, policies we could pursue, but it's, you know, it's going to be housing, it's going to be immigration, it's going to be those things that really drive where the Democratic Party is going to go in the future. Yeah, I agree to an extent.

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think that we're going to kind of see a split in the Democratic Party to an extent. I do think that they're going to try to work together. I think that, I think that what's going to happen is that once Trump leaves there's going to be both parties are going to be like, now what?

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I think that's what's going to happen. Trump has shooken up politics to an extent that we don't even understand fully yet. So there's going to be kind of a major, not necessarily realignment, but people are going to kind of need to figure out what they're going to do. If I'm in charge of the Democratic Party, I'm saying, okay, you know what? What we need to do is we need to get these younger voters. So how do they do that? Well, first and foremost, something that we didn't talk about is they're going to try their best to caught up by Roe and try their best to protect, you know,

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these protection that Roe gave these women the right to choose. They're gonna try their best. I understand that that's hard to do, especially because the easiest way, honestly, was through the courts and you kind of lost that battle. I think that they're gonna try to be a little bit more aggressive on the climate.

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I think that they're looking and they're seeing that they're already losing a bunch of these areas like West Virginia. So why not go out and be aggressive on these things? You're not going to win the voters of these coal miners. You're not going to win these oil tycoons. You're not going to win them. Go make actual change, actual difference. And then I think the third thing that they're going to try their best to do, as I agree with you, would be housing. I think housing is something that the Democrats really can champion and they should champion.

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I guess big picture is that Kamala Harris has such a big coalition for this election. It's what happens the day after the election that is very interesting and really matters. And that's why you should care about this coalition is you want to see who pulls the most weight. Because if there's one group that really shows up after the election, they're going to be the one that's like, you know, very important in the Democratic Party. So that's why you should care. Any final notes? Yeah, I mean, end of the day, you know, we reward loyalty, right? You've seen it with Nancy Pelosi.

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she's made friends with who she's crowned, especially in this cycle with Kamala Harris and with Tim Walz, that this is a party that when you stand by it, it's gonna reward you. So keep an eye on that for the future. Yeah. So that being said, that's it for this week's episode. Thank you guys so much for listening. Be sure to go to whydoicarepod.com for everything you could possibly need. That's Why Do I Care related. There's episode transcripts, there's a link to all the socials. So be sure to check that out. Like always, be sure to like, follow, subscribe, all that good stuff, and have a great rest of your day.